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(last updated on April 4th)This is a community for discussing visual novels.Read the sidebar and the before posting.If you want additional places to talk about Visual Novels outside of reddit, there are various visual novel communities on Discord and IRC:Need a new VN to read or are new to them? (4chan version )Also try the!Spoiler tags.Spoilers in submissions:If our submission contain spoilers, mark it as spoilers after submitting,.If there are untagged spoilers in your submission, mark it as spoilers.When to use spoiler tags:In threads not marked as spoilers always use spoiler tags everywhere in the comments.In threads that are marked as spoilers: no need to use spoiler tags, but keep the submitter's level of knowledge about the VN in mind. Play it safe.Always use spoiler tags in threads that are not about one specific VN. The only exceptions are series (e.g.

Ace Attorney), but only if OP makes it clear that discussing all games in a series without spoiler tags is okay.How to use spoiler tags:Hide spoilers like this: !hidden spoilery text! I hope posting this won't spoil the story too much for those who somehow wandered here and hadn't read it, and i hope for aOk, all these years i've been thinking that suicide is simply a coward way of people with complex minds to escape their circumstances, and i think the characters in narcissu is doing exactly that. (at least by my perspective).I think what drove the characters to that end simply doesn't have any purpose in life, or maybe they do have a purpose but they regard it as an optional achievement (Just like.Narcissu is a good VN, i admit. However, i dislike that it abandons any ideas of struggling onto life. Try adding a doctor who is in research of their disease. There might be medical experiments in which possible ending will be they becoming a test subjects to cure future patients of their desease, and maybe in that alternate ending, assuming even if they don't survive, at least they end their life story with a contribution so that nobody will end the same way they end. So that dreams don't end because of a physical disease.Maybe i want to talk about the stance 'what if we were in their shoes?'

As a patient whose death is calculated by our fellow human being, Will you accept death just like how the doctors tell you? Will you simply suicide to lessen the burden for those you leave later? Or will you do something that'll cure you to repay the kindness of people that supported you, or to fulfill your purpose like you have someone you want to marry or wanting to travel around the world?' In my opinion, sometimes a story just needs to be a story. Your suggestion sounds like you don't really like sad stories, but need some kind of 'it was worth it'-feeling to it.

That's okay, but it shouldn't be the way of every artistic work. There are several ways to handle things for every situation, but the authors always want to express something.

In the case of Narcissu, I clearly felt like the nihilistic mindset was what they wanted. Adding a 'I don't want to give up!'

Storyline would have screwed with the characters. Adding some kind of deus ex machina doctor who magically cures a disease would have made it even worse.My biggest issue with the novel (only read the first one) was even exactly that: I just couldn't relate to Setsumi at all.

From the moment you meet her, she gave up already and never says a single line that makes her somewhat relatable. She's absolutely cold and silent. Still, from a story standpoint, this all makes sense of course.

It's what the author wanted to express and I can respect that, even if I personally have issues with the way it is told. @ I actually enjoy sad stories but i think you were right when i need some kind of 'it was worth it'-feeling to it. I just felt that her death is just too. In vain.She hadn't achieved anything remarkable. She's simply being passive with her life, giving up on this, giving up on that, reading maps, car megazines (and if you read the side 2nd, all of this are not her original trait but influenced by a new character she met before she was admitted to the 7th floor).I think I relate narcissu to the real life too much since I have a family member who works in a hospital. I occasionally visit the hospital, therefor my mindset of not accepting the suicide as a solution since the patients are always struggling for life.

Note that i've never visited a hospice before, though maybe now i have a picture of how a hospice is.That's probably why i really think that something else could be done in the end narcissu. Die a heroic death, giving a sense accomplishment in her life, making a proof that you've lived on this world, contributing to the future or something like that. Not ending your life just like that.But yeah. A story may just need to be a story. I can't possibly relate all existing VN to the real life lol. I've learned my lesson a bit.

That's probably why i really think that something else could be done in the end narcissu. Die a heroic death, giving a sense accomplishment in her life, making a proof that you've lived on this world, contributing to the future or something like that. Not ending your life just like that.imho, there are enough stories that have exactly that.

But life can be cruel sometimes, and I really like it when some stories dare to poke into that as well. You won't always be able to do something meaningful in life, and sometimes the only thing you can do is to accept.

It's been a very long time since I've read that novel, but as far as I remember, she did at least choose a place that had emotional meaning to her for her last moments. I think that's a bittersweet conclusion on its own. The focus was more on the ones who were 'near death', not on the ones who would 'stay alive and live on'. Adding anything more to make the readers feel 'it was worth it' would equivalently lessen the meaning of the ones who chose death and would too much objectify their choices.But yes, I think the sense of that 'hollowness' is exactly what the author was going for. There's no meaning in choosing death. There's only 'sadness' and 'loneliness'.

In life, you need both the sad things and happy things. And I feel that if you can somehow acknowledge that choosing death is only choosing the sad parts, then you would become much more active in searching for the happier parts of life. Surely, the author wouldn't have wanted the readers to become fixated on death and 'giving up' but to urge them to look for things that are worth living for. From the moment you meet her, she gave up already and never says a single line that makes her somewhat relatable.Perhaps the author intended to serve the lack of explanation of Setsumi's struggles as a way to allow the audience to insert their own experiences wherein they themselves were put in a predicament and gave up. The author could have detailed more on what Setsumi could or did to fight her illness but I feel like that might have diverted the theme of the novel similar to if a deus ex machina example that you mentioned were to be included in the story.The story is about 'accepting' to be 'oneself until the end.'

Yeah - as I said, I just personally couldn't really connect with her because of that and the whole novel wasn't as enjoyable for me for the same reason. I think it's not really just the fact that you don't see her struggling, but more that she is presented as a very unlikeable character. At least that's the impression I have left after that many years. Dragon nest saint haven defence. But then again, that was my personal experience - I can very well imagine that some people are able to relate to her situation better and get a lot more out of the novel because of that. And I definitely didn't find the behavior unrealistic or anything like that. I'd say that vastly depends on how much information we have to go on.

Narcissu focuses on how the characters choose to deal with the situation and very little on the true cause of said situation and because of this you can disagree with how they choose to handle it but you can never say the choice they made is wrong as its subjective in that scenario. If they gave us a lot of information on the affliction they have such as the likely cause, how common is it, how old is it and do all the characters share the same disease then you could somewhat make a somewhat semi- objective case for why you think they made the wrong choice or you yourself in that position made that choice to commit suicide or pursue every option possible. The VN seems to really just hammer in that these people are terminal that's it because the focus is on the situation and how these few different people choose to deal with it. To just outright answer your question, I don't know because we aren't given enough information on the disease to make an educated guess on how we would react. If I was to go with what I gathered which is that there is very little hope then I would fully understand why someone like Setsumi made her choice and I too may want to have things end on my own terms not necessarily though suicide.I should note I haven't read this VN in sometime, actually been meaning to re-read it ever since the kickstarter went up. Anyway if my memory fails me on some points keep this in mind. I think in Narcissu's case, it really is just the fact of people are going to die and there's really nothing else that can be done.

It's a sad reality that happens often, and adding a medical doctor that could develop a cure from their disease sounds rather unrealistic. That's usually something that comes from lots of research rather than just a single case.

Not every tragic death needs to have a huge impact on the rest of the world in a story.What I got out of the game was if you were told that you were going to die and there was nothing you could do about it, what would you do? Sit around and quietly let death take you, or choose to end life in way you can find the most acceptable.

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I'd argue that Setsumi at least exhibited some degree of struggle with life, because she chose not to die in a place she clearly hated and continued to be miserable in. That last road trip actually felt like she got to live her life a little bit, rather than doing what she was doing before, which was the equivalent of torture in my eyes. She probably died in the most positive way she could have. It's not that i'm expeting a magical doctor as well, but What i get from Setsumi is that she's simply too unloving towards herself. Or maybe took her life for granted.

Or simply selfless, it's like her life is something so minor that her death might be better than her living.Yes she did struggle. She chose not to die on neither the 7th floor nor her home. But even that, she was struggling how to die.

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Not how to live.Thinking back, maybe it's just how the author wants to write it. A story of a depressed girl and how her life ends. That doctor i mentioned was just an example of a scenario of setsumi accepted to become a test subject, contributed to founding a new cure, the doctor can be a curious university student who is in progress of making a medical thesis, who the protagonist and Setsumi meet in the narcissus plains, things happen, and narcissus can have an additional ending like 'People who died of lung cancer had drastically lessened by 57% since Setsumi's sacrifice' or something like that.

Lol happy thoughts.No offense to differing opinions and personal tastes at all, but dear lord I would have hated that so much. I think Narcissu works supremely well, as a story about, and any sudden purpose for Setsumi's suffering (especially injected right at the end) would have just shattered its core theme.While I who can relate the story to the real world expects setsumi to struggle to leave a mark of her existence in this world and maybe die afterwards.I'm not sure I follow your logic here.

Do you think that Setsumi's train of thought is unrealistic for someone in her position, or is there another reason you don't like seeing it presented in a story?. Setsumi's thought is realistic from my point of view. I can relate her hopelessness and the decision that came to that. It's just that i relate Setsumi too much to the real world that I have this kinda dillema.

The mistake i've done is exactly that, not caring the novel's theme, not taking the novel simply as a story and relate to the real world too much. Since i often visit a hospital you see (my family member works there) though i haven't had the chance to visit a hospice.Affected by how real world patients struggle with their disease everyday, made Setsumi's train of thought and final decision seemed unaccaptable to me. That's why probably i wanted an acceptable ending that i can actually relate to the real world and something that can made example of.But yeah, i need to learn to take a story as simply a story lol. This is where i went bad.I relate narcissu story to the real world too much since I visit hospitals occasionally (my family member works there) though i never visited a hospice before. Not taking the story as a story like how it was intended to be.That's why from the beginning of the post i wrote maybe i want to talk about what if we were in their shoes, what effort will we do to have a different ending. Like, Is there no other way?I guess that's my dillema in a nutshell.

Relating Setsumi to the real world too much, having such an shallow end seemed to unacceptable to someone who often visit patients who struggle with sickness and disease everyday. Think of it this way.Before the invention of antibiotic, treatment of tuberculosis came down to basically live in isolation and hope for the best, getting stabbed in the chest, or some other more bizarre treatment that I may be unaware of.

Needless to say, it was not effective, and a cure could be considered somewhat of a small miracle. As such, getting TB back then may well be the equivalent of getting a terminal disease, and the start of an slow, agonizing death.In case you forgot, Setsumi in 1 and the other-character-whose-name-I-cannot-recall-at-the-moment in 2 were in hospice aka not in any therapeutic treatment. So comparison to TB patient of ye olde days is fairly valid (well, maybe not getting stabbed in the chest part). In fact, they were worse off.

As TB patient still have (IIRC) about 50% chance of cure, whereas characters in Narcissu have precisely zero. They were literally waiting to die (see: hospice).Now with that information, think about this again. Because they did a bit more than just killing themselves.

Well at least Sakura Setsumi and the protagonist dude in 1 (not sure exactly what happened in 2 because I didn't quite finish it; full disclosure). 'will you do something that'll cure you'What cure? There is no cure, that's the point of it. If you have the occasion, you should try to visit a hospice. It's not an hospital where 'people struggle with their sickness', it's a place where people are left to die. There is no hope, it's the 'End-of-life floor', and it's literally that. The medical care they are receiving is not here to cure them, it's palliative care: It's an end of life support.

And seriously, reading your answer makes me really angry with you, because you clearly didn't have (and I hope you won't ever have) any family member hit by a terminal disease. 'Struggling for life' has seriously no meaning in such a case, and euthanasia (or suicide regarding this story, because Setsuna still has the ability to do it herself) is in itself the only way to get out with dignity.The tragedy of those stories is that it's not the life of old people that we follow, it's young adults or teenagers: they should live longer, yet they are programmed to die at a young age. And that's the point, you can't give anyone a 'heroic death' or 'a sense of accomplishment', because that would be a deus ex machina, and because the story tells us about how life is: unfair.

I like your point, but I also think that the young have to be the ones to really battle it out since they have a higher chance of survival, but I guess there are just some battles you can't win.It's sad how Setsumi has already given up early, she's such a sweet girl. But if you've read 2nd, you can see the kind of life she lead before.and it breaks my heart.Having no-bullshit-magic or miracle is why I love Narcissu, it's life, plain and simple. I believe that quality of years are more valuable than the quantity, but it's hard to say Setsumi had a satisfying life but she had a life nonetheless. To sum it all up, life isn't fair and that's what makes it fair.

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Ace Attorney), but only if OP makes it clear that discussing all games in a series without spoiler tags is okay.How to use spoiler tags:Hide spoilers like this: !hidden spoilery text! I hope posting this won't spoil the story too much for those who somehow wandered here and hadn't read it, and i hope for aOk, all these years i've been thinking that suicide is simply a coward way of people with complex minds to escape their circumstances, and i think the characters in narcissu is doing exactly that. (at least by my perspective).I think what drove the characters to that end simply doesn't have any purpose in life, or maybe they do have a purpose but they regard it as an optional achievement (Just like.Narcissu is a good VN, i admit. However, i dislike that it abandons any ideas of struggling onto life. Try adding a doctor who is in research of their disease. There might be medical experiments in which possible ending will be they becoming a test subjects to cure future patients of their desease, and maybe in that alternate ending, assuming even if they don't survive, at least they end their life story with a contribution so that nobody will end the same way they end. So that dreams don't end because of a physical disease.Maybe i want to talk about the stance 'what if we were in their shoes?'

As a patient whose death is calculated by our fellow human being, Will you accept death just like how the doctors tell you? Will you simply suicide to lessen the burden for those you leave later? Or will you do something that'll cure you to repay the kindness of people that supported you, or to fulfill your purpose like you have someone you want to marry or wanting to travel around the world?' In my opinion, sometimes a story just needs to be a story. Your suggestion sounds like you don't really like sad stories, but need some kind of 'it was worth it'-feeling to it.

That's okay, but it shouldn't be the way of every artistic work. There are several ways to handle things for every situation, but the authors always want to express something.

In the case of Narcissu, I clearly felt like the nihilistic mindset was what they wanted. Adding a 'I don't want to give up!'

Storyline would have screwed with the characters. Adding some kind of deus ex machina doctor who magically cures a disease would have made it even worse.My biggest issue with the novel (only read the first one) was even exactly that: I just couldn't relate to Setsumi at all.

From the moment you meet her, she gave up already and never says a single line that makes her somewhat relatable. She's absolutely cold and silent. Still, from a story standpoint, this all makes sense of course.

It's what the author wanted to express and I can respect that, even if I personally have issues with the way it is told. @ I actually enjoy sad stories but i think you were right when i need some kind of 'it was worth it'-feeling to it. I just felt that her death is just too. In vain.She hadn't achieved anything remarkable. She's simply being passive with her life, giving up on this, giving up on that, reading maps, car megazines (and if you read the side 2nd, all of this are not her original trait but influenced by a new character she met before she was admitted to the 7th floor).I think I relate narcissu to the real life too much since I have a family member who works in a hospital. I occasionally visit the hospital, therefor my mindset of not accepting the suicide as a solution since the patients are always struggling for life.

Note that i've never visited a hospice before, though maybe now i have a picture of how a hospice is.That's probably why i really think that something else could be done in the end narcissu. Die a heroic death, giving a sense accomplishment in her life, making a proof that you've lived on this world, contributing to the future or something like that. Not ending your life just like that.But yeah. A story may just need to be a story. I can't possibly relate all existing VN to the real life lol. I've learned my lesson a bit.

That's probably why i really think that something else could be done in the end narcissu. Die a heroic death, giving a sense accomplishment in her life, making a proof that you've lived on this world, contributing to the future or something like that. Not ending your life just like that.imho, there are enough stories that have exactly that.

But life can be cruel sometimes, and I really like it when some stories dare to poke into that as well. You won't always be able to do something meaningful in life, and sometimes the only thing you can do is to accept.

It's been a very long time since I've read that novel, but as far as I remember, she did at least choose a place that had emotional meaning to her for her last moments. I think that's a bittersweet conclusion on its own. The focus was more on the ones who were 'near death', not on the ones who would 'stay alive and live on'. Adding anything more to make the readers feel 'it was worth it' would equivalently lessen the meaning of the ones who chose death and would too much objectify their choices.But yes, I think the sense of that 'hollowness' is exactly what the author was going for. There's no meaning in choosing death. There's only 'sadness' and 'loneliness'.

In life, you need both the sad things and happy things. And I feel that if you can somehow acknowledge that choosing death is only choosing the sad parts, then you would become much more active in searching for the happier parts of life. Surely, the author wouldn't have wanted the readers to become fixated on death and 'giving up' but to urge them to look for things that are worth living for. From the moment you meet her, she gave up already and never says a single line that makes her somewhat relatable.Perhaps the author intended to serve the lack of explanation of Setsumi's struggles as a way to allow the audience to insert their own experiences wherein they themselves were put in a predicament and gave up. The author could have detailed more on what Setsumi could or did to fight her illness but I feel like that might have diverted the theme of the novel similar to if a deus ex machina example that you mentioned were to be included in the story.The story is about 'accepting' to be 'oneself until the end.'

Yeah - as I said, I just personally couldn't really connect with her because of that and the whole novel wasn't as enjoyable for me for the same reason. I think it's not really just the fact that you don't see her struggling, but more that she is presented as a very unlikeable character. At least that's the impression I have left after that many years. Dragon nest saint haven defence. But then again, that was my personal experience - I can very well imagine that some people are able to relate to her situation better and get a lot more out of the novel because of that. And I definitely didn't find the behavior unrealistic or anything like that. I'd say that vastly depends on how much information we have to go on.

Narcissu focuses on how the characters choose to deal with the situation and very little on the true cause of said situation and because of this you can disagree with how they choose to handle it but you can never say the choice they made is wrong as its subjective in that scenario. If they gave us a lot of information on the affliction they have such as the likely cause, how common is it, how old is it and do all the characters share the same disease then you could somewhat make a somewhat semi- objective case for why you think they made the wrong choice or you yourself in that position made that choice to commit suicide or pursue every option possible. The VN seems to really just hammer in that these people are terminal that's it because the focus is on the situation and how these few different people choose to deal with it. To just outright answer your question, I don't know because we aren't given enough information on the disease to make an educated guess on how we would react. If I was to go with what I gathered which is that there is very little hope then I would fully understand why someone like Setsumi made her choice and I too may want to have things end on my own terms not necessarily though suicide.I should note I haven't read this VN in sometime, actually been meaning to re-read it ever since the kickstarter went up. Anyway if my memory fails me on some points keep this in mind. I think in Narcissu's case, it really is just the fact of people are going to die and there's really nothing else that can be done.

It's a sad reality that happens often, and adding a medical doctor that could develop a cure from their disease sounds rather unrealistic. That's usually something that comes from lots of research rather than just a single case.

Not every tragic death needs to have a huge impact on the rest of the world in a story.What I got out of the game was if you were told that you were going to die and there was nothing you could do about it, what would you do? Sit around and quietly let death take you, or choose to end life in way you can find the most acceptable.

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I'd argue that Setsumi at least exhibited some degree of struggle with life, because she chose not to die in a place she clearly hated and continued to be miserable in. That last road trip actually felt like she got to live her life a little bit, rather than doing what she was doing before, which was the equivalent of torture in my eyes. She probably died in the most positive way she could have. It's not that i'm expeting a magical doctor as well, but What i get from Setsumi is that she's simply too unloving towards herself. Or maybe took her life for granted.

Or simply selfless, it's like her life is something so minor that her death might be better than her living.Yes she did struggle. She chose not to die on neither the 7th floor nor her home. But even that, she was struggling how to die.

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Not how to live.Thinking back, maybe it's just how the author wants to write it. A story of a depressed girl and how her life ends. That doctor i mentioned was just an example of a scenario of setsumi accepted to become a test subject, contributed to founding a new cure, the doctor can be a curious university student who is in progress of making a medical thesis, who the protagonist and Setsumi meet in the narcissus plains, things happen, and narcissus can have an additional ending like 'People who died of lung cancer had drastically lessened by 57% since Setsumi's sacrifice' or something like that.

Lol happy thoughts.No offense to differing opinions and personal tastes at all, but dear lord I would have hated that so much. I think Narcissu works supremely well, as a story about, and any sudden purpose for Setsumi's suffering (especially injected right at the end) would have just shattered its core theme.While I who can relate the story to the real world expects setsumi to struggle to leave a mark of her existence in this world and maybe die afterwards.I'm not sure I follow your logic here.

Do you think that Setsumi's train of thought is unrealistic for someone in her position, or is there another reason you don't like seeing it presented in a story?. Setsumi's thought is realistic from my point of view. I can relate her hopelessness and the decision that came to that. It's just that i relate Setsumi too much to the real world that I have this kinda dillema.

The mistake i've done is exactly that, not caring the novel's theme, not taking the novel simply as a story and relate to the real world too much. Since i often visit a hospital you see (my family member works there) though i haven't had the chance to visit a hospice.Affected by how real world patients struggle with their disease everyday, made Setsumi's train of thought and final decision seemed unaccaptable to me. That's why probably i wanted an acceptable ending that i can actually relate to the real world and something that can made example of.But yeah, i need to learn to take a story as simply a story lol. This is where i went bad.I relate narcissu story to the real world too much since I visit hospitals occasionally (my family member works there) though i never visited a hospice before. Not taking the story as a story like how it was intended to be.That's why from the beginning of the post i wrote maybe i want to talk about what if we were in their shoes, what effort will we do to have a different ending. Like, Is there no other way?I guess that's my dillema in a nutshell.

Relating Setsumi to the real world too much, having such an shallow end seemed to unacceptable to someone who often visit patients who struggle with sickness and disease everyday. Think of it this way.Before the invention of antibiotic, treatment of tuberculosis came down to basically live in isolation and hope for the best, getting stabbed in the chest, or some other more bizarre treatment that I may be unaware of.

Needless to say, it was not effective, and a cure could be considered somewhat of a small miracle. As such, getting TB back then may well be the equivalent of getting a terminal disease, and the start of an slow, agonizing death.In case you forgot, Setsumi in 1 and the other-character-whose-name-I-cannot-recall-at-the-moment in 2 were in hospice aka not in any therapeutic treatment. So comparison to TB patient of ye olde days is fairly valid (well, maybe not getting stabbed in the chest part). In fact, they were worse off.

As TB patient still have (IIRC) about 50% chance of cure, whereas characters in Narcissu have precisely zero. They were literally waiting to die (see: hospice).Now with that information, think about this again. Because they did a bit more than just killing themselves.

Well at least Sakura Setsumi and the protagonist dude in 1 (not sure exactly what happened in 2 because I didn't quite finish it; full disclosure). 'will you do something that'll cure you'What cure? There is no cure, that's the point of it. If you have the occasion, you should try to visit a hospice. It's not an hospital where 'people struggle with their sickness', it's a place where people are left to die. There is no hope, it's the 'End-of-life floor', and it's literally that. The medical care they are receiving is not here to cure them, it's palliative care: It's an end of life support.

And seriously, reading your answer makes me really angry with you, because you clearly didn't have (and I hope you won't ever have) any family member hit by a terminal disease. 'Struggling for life' has seriously no meaning in such a case, and euthanasia (or suicide regarding this story, because Setsuna still has the ability to do it herself) is in itself the only way to get out with dignity.The tragedy of those stories is that it's not the life of old people that we follow, it's young adults or teenagers: they should live longer, yet they are programmed to die at a young age. And that's the point, you can't give anyone a 'heroic death' or 'a sense of accomplishment', because that would be a deus ex machina, and because the story tells us about how life is: unfair.

I like your point, but I also think that the young have to be the ones to really battle it out since they have a higher chance of survival, but I guess there are just some battles you can't win.It's sad how Setsumi has already given up early, she's such a sweet girl. But if you've read 2nd, you can see the kind of life she lead before.and it breaks my heart.Having no-bullshit-magic or miracle is why I love Narcissu, it's life, plain and simple. I believe that quality of years are more valuable than the quantity, but it's hard to say Setsumi had a satisfying life but she had a life nonetheless. To sum it all up, life isn't fair and that's what makes it fair.

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